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Post by SA on Aug 21, 2017 12:45:05 GMT
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Post by val2525 on Aug 21, 2017 14:53:29 GMT
Is that good or bad, I wonder?
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Post by SA on Aug 21, 2017 15:08:38 GMT
I don't know if it's good or bad - but I truly believe Hal Lawton was an asset to eBay. A genuine good guy.
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Post by SA on Aug 21, 2017 21:19:41 GMT
Just read he's going to Macy's!
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Post by val2525 on Aug 24, 2017 5:18:48 GMT
Why in heavens name would someone go from eBay to Macy's? Macy's isn't doing that hot.
Unless the Macy's position is a huge promotion for him. Then it might make sense.
Macy's is another one who needs to go back to its roots and stop trying to be the competition. Recapture the magic of Macy's.
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Post by SA on Aug 24, 2017 11:03:00 GMT
Why in heavens name would someone go from eBay to Macy's? Macy's isn't doing that hot. Unless the Macy's position is a huge promotion for him. Then it might make sense. Macy's is another one who needs to go back to its roots and stop trying to be the competition. Recapture the magic of Macy's. I think everyone said that same thing when he left Home Depot and came to eBay! I was surprised when I read that. Inside a small eBay circle, Hal is loved. He's known as "Just a great guy all around that gets the job done". He's very personable. Very knowldegeable. Very much liked. But Macy's? Maybe he's a guy who thrives on challenges? (not that eBay isn't a challenge...)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 12:56:11 GMT
I was at the Jacob Javits Center earlier this week (in NYC), and they have about a gazillion TV screens all around that (huge) convention center. I saw it plastered all over those screens with a big smiley picture of Hal. I hope he can help Macy's out. I love that store - well I used to love that store. In the last few years (decade maybe) it's really lost a lot of it's cache.
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Post by SA on Aug 24, 2017 14:00:46 GMT
I agree. I used to love shopping there. I could count on a simple coupon every now and again. And get quality merchandise.
Nowadays it feels like there are too many coupon choices, points system and I feel like I'm in Kmart every time I walk in. Either cheaply made clothing or overpriced Nike products.
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Post by kritter on Aug 24, 2017 15:25:56 GMT
He should have stayed at Home Depot from the getgo.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 15:29:36 GMT
I'm guessing it was a promotion for him. I believe Macy's does more in yearly sales than ebay, and if he can get them to turn around - it was be huge.
I still like Macy's when I need something fast. I just don't like their 'clutter' sales where they have everything jammed together. I like shopping when it's not crowded.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 15:31:06 GMT
He should have stayed at Home Depot from the getgo. I agree. Actual retail stores with online availability is a different animal than ebay.
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Post by kritter on Aug 24, 2017 15:38:00 GMT
I guess he thought it was a good idea at the time. Probably went to one of eBay's dog and pony convention show things and thought it was a good idea at the time.
Apparently eBay does know how to throw a good party.
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Post by val2525 on Aug 24, 2017 16:50:50 GMT
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Post by val2525 on Aug 24, 2017 16:54:26 GMT
Announcement from the new guy: www.ecommercebytes.com/2017/08/22/new-head-ebay-marketplaces-sends-message-ebay-sellers/And awesome reply from a reader: Why you don’t speak English, Scott?
You say
“It is critically important to balance a set of diverse needs to accelerate velocity and scale. Continuing to innovate on both the underlying technology and customer experiences are critical to our joint success.”
This is just a load of clever-sounding (to people like you) crap.
There is so much that could be improved with the site as it is, never mind “innovation.” Fix the things that don’t work now in the set up as it is, on the nuts and bolts level.
I can see what the trouble is — people like you have no idea what the seller’s day to day experience is actually like — I mean at the click level. You don’t know, and it isn’t sexy, so you don’t think it’s important. So you don’t know if the people who design and run the nuts and bolts are good or not, or screwing up, or just doing stupid time-wasting things.
If you want to impress ordinary sellers, leave your executive gobbledegook in your executive office, talk simple sense and pay attention to the basics first.
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Post by chapeaunoir on Aug 24, 2017 17:14:18 GMT
I'll bet they lured him away with a higher salary and the challenge of data innovation - that's up his alley.
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Post by val2525 on Aug 24, 2017 17:27:01 GMT
I'll bet they lured him away with a higher salary and the challenge of data innovation - that's up his alley. They did. His eBay and Macy's salaries and stock deals are in the article. They almost doubled his pay at Macy's, and he wasn't making chump change at eBay.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 17:34:38 GMT
I'll bet they lured him away with a higher salary and the challenge of data innovation - that's up his alley. They did. His eBay and Macy's salaries and stock deals are in the article. They almost doubled his pay at Macy's, and he wasn't making chump change at eBay. Ebay doesn't even break 10B in sales anymore (paypal cash cow is gone). Look at their history. Macy's is over 20B. This was a no brainer for him, as it makes sense for him to stick with B&M/internet presence. Sorry - not trying to kick around ebay, but they need to figure it out because there are other places on the internet that specialize in many of their categories. Automotive, clothing, collectibles, etc... . They need to become more like Amazon if they want to stay relevant. I know sellers hate this, but it is what it is. Ebay reminds me of Santiago's big marlin getting picked off by sharks little by little. Soon there will be nothing left if they don't change course.
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Post by val2525 on Aug 24, 2017 17:42:12 GMT
Sorry, I was looking at overall sales on eBay, not just eBay's actual income. Ebay site sales were triple of Macy's (84 billion vs 27 billion). However, actual income to the company - yes, you're correct, Macy's makes more. However, it appears eBay is more profitable, reporting a net profit of $2.2 billion to Macy's $1 billion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 17:51:44 GMT
I was wording that wrong, Val. But it's hard to compare the two because of the structure. When ebay has X amount of sales, that's not their sales. It's sales on their site. Whereas when Macy's has X amount of sales, it's theirs.
Even if the salary/bennies was equal - it was in his interest to move over to Macy's. Unless he can move ebay further into Amazon territory.
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Post by chapeaunoir on Aug 24, 2017 18:19:57 GMT
Too much of eBay isn't compatible with Amazon, though. That's why it's impossible to go in that direction and wouldn't even be advisable. Being Amazon Lite would probably doom the site.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 19:16:14 GMT
Too much of eBay isn't compatible with Amazon, though. That's why it's impossible to go in that direction and wouldn't even be advisable. Being Amazon Lite would probably doom the site. I'm not sure there is another way for them to go. They're getting hacked apart little by little. There are so many other online sites out there that have captured the previous buyers and sellers. I'm not sure auctions can sustain them, so if BINS are the cash cow, then Amazon is the way to go. They're big thing is - colorful packaging. Cute, but not enough. What is ebay's identity?
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Post by val2525 on Aug 24, 2017 19:37:58 GMT
Fun. It's fun to shop here. The unusual, the unique. The loved and lost and now found again. The quirky. Even the new. That's the heart and soul of eBay, always has been. It got lost for a bit, but that's what the new ad campaign is trying to do, in a way. It's honestly boring to shop on Amazon. It's wham, bam, thank you 'mam on Amazon. Fine for a while but not for a long-term relationship. Even a shopping relationship.
It can work IF Wenig stops trying to be Amazon, which I think he *is* trying to do. Yes, there are areas he has to tackle Amazon head on, but I honestly think he does have a grip on what makes eBay different from Amazon and is trying to bring more of that out.
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Post by val2525 on Aug 24, 2017 19:42:10 GMT
Too much of eBay isn't compatible with Amazon, though. That's why it's impossible to go in that direction and wouldn't even be advisable. Being Amazon Lite would probably doom the site. I'm not sure there is another way for them to go. They're getting hacked apart little by little. There are so many other online sites out there that have captured the previous buyers and sellers. Those sites are failing right and left. I suspect Tradesy will be closing soon. Sure they're being replaced by more, but eBay still sticks around. There's something to be said for stability and reliability and I think buyers ultimately recognize that. IMHO.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 19:52:02 GMT
I'm not sure there is another way for them to go. They're getting hacked apart little by little. There are so many other online sites out there that have captured the previous buyers and sellers. Those sites are failing right and left. I suspect Tradesy will be closing soon. Sure they're being replaced by more, but eBay still sticks around. There's something to be said for stability and reliability and I think buyers ultimately recognize that. IMHO. They do get replaced. It's not just clothing... Ebay, by their own admission, states they have a problem in retaining buyers. Getting buyers to continue to purchase items over and over again. I don't think auctions can support them. It's BINS. So how do you grow that without becoming Amazon? Let's face it, Amazon has this stuff down. They're much more intuitive than any of the B&M's around. Same day delivery. Little buttons to reorder Everything, I mean everything, is about making it really really easy for customers to buy, which translates into repeat business. Who here sells on Amazon?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 19:53:32 GMT
Sorry, I know I kick ebay around quite a bit. LOL
I get so mad at them when I go to list (research) or buy. Mostly Motors. They've got it so screwed up that many of the good sellers left.
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Post by chapeaunoir on Aug 24, 2017 22:43:48 GMT
Until Amazon carries the kind of stuff I carry, they're not in my market and I don't compete with them and they CAN'T compete with me.
Same day delivery. Little buttons to reorder
This is for generic stuff. eBay is not for generic stuff and the quicker they realise that, the better off they'll be. They've neglected their core competence and because of this, they started to lose market. They tried to turn themselves into a data company under Doho - dismal failure.
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Post by SA on Aug 24, 2017 23:10:33 GMT
eBay will never be Amazon. And eBay knows that.
Amazon has their own line of products. Amazon has warehouses. Amazon has an annual membership. Amazon has streaming video. Amazon has downloadable books. Amazon has dog food and toothpaste scheduled delivery.
Can't remember if the video is posted on this from Open, but part of one of the speeches was talking about how Amazon wants to/is planning "drone hives". Seriously. I just remember the tone of eBay and they didn't want that sterile feel for their company. But they do have to compete - hence their guaranteed delivery program rolling out next month.
Honestly, I really don't buying on Amazon, but I do because sometimes I can just get a better deal there for certain things. But it's rare. I don't like their site layout.
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Post by SA on Aug 24, 2017 23:11:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 23:30:40 GMT
One thing i think they could copy from Amazon is to partner with Visa/MC on an eBay CC. I have an Amazon card and earn points for every dollar I spend and double?/triple? points for dollars spent on Amazon. When I need something I always have some points to spend that often make Amazon the better deal. I hate Amazon's search more than eBay's.
And if they want to be more like Facebook they could make it easy to toggle back and forth between accounts without all the logging in and out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 23:52:17 GMT
Until Amazon carries the kind of stuff I carry, they're not in my market and I don't compete with them and they CAN'T compete with me. Same day delivery. Little buttons to reorder
This is for generic stuff. eBay is not for generic stuff and the quicker they realise that, the better off they'll be. They've neglected their core competence and because of this, they started to lose market. They tried to turn themselves into a data company under Doho - dismal failure. It's more than the generic stuff. As a customer, I experience little to no brain damage ordering through Amazon. I understand that ebay is different. But they were equal at one point in time. Amazon went one way and ebay went the other. If you look in terms of financial success - Amazon wins. But you're right, Amazon hasn't entered the preowned, collectible, unique item market. That's something ebay has, but it's not unique to them anymore because there are other sites that have cut into the business. If ebay wants to grow as a company, then they're going to have to figure out a way to create loyalty in customers. Amazon is killing it with that. I just posted that they're lowering prices with whole foods and prime members get additional discounts. That crosses over into all of their other goods. Prime member here. Do I continue my membership and get 2 day or less delivery on most items, discounts on whole foods, and all the other perks.... ? Absolutely. My point - Ebay doesn't do anything. They don't create warehouses to stock items and provide fast delivery, Why don't they get into videos, downloadable books, scheduled deliveries, etc..... ? Every new customer is one more person that can be looking to possibly buy your stuff.
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