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Post by unknown on Jun 16, 2016 7:29:50 GMT
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Post by Dawn R on Jun 16, 2016 10:07:58 GMT
What?!?!?!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 12:11:48 GMT
I'll agree that some are excellent quality. I had a Kate Spade wallet I bought that was a fake but it was gorgeous and gotta say better made than most real Kate Spade wallets. I removed the KS tag and carried it for years, I'm sure I still have it around here and it still looked great when I was done carrying it. I've seen fake purses that were soft as butter and made high quality too but I've seen ones that were made like junk. Of course I've seen authentic purses made like junk so.
Not excusing fakes at all, it's an industry that supports all sorts of horrific crimes a lot of them against women and children, it needs to be stopped, I'm just saying that his quality statement is not necessarily totally inaccurate.
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Post by SA on Jun 16, 2016 12:19:52 GMT
"The problem is the fake products today are of better quality and better price than the real names. They are exactly the [same] factories, exactly the same raw materials but they do not use the names" ((Jack Ma))
If the same company made them but does not use the names, they're called knockoffs--not fakes. Right?
But I totally get that he sounds totally lax on fakes.
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Post by jellybeanscloset412 on Jun 16, 2016 15:45:47 GMT
I think it's ironic that they are working hard to get them off their website but at the same time says how nice they are.
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Post by RetroMonde on Jun 16, 2016 17:16:06 GMT
IMHO his comment is beside the point... a fake's a fake if they don't own the intelectual property behind it. Quality isn't the issue at all... it's about ownership rights, Mr. Ma.
"that Chinese manufacturers are growing impatient with a global division of labour in which they make high quality goods only to see much of the money pocketed by brand owners." Huh? And whose fault is that? Perhaps if the Chinese launched their own excellent luxury products/brands instead of copycatting others they'd be able to pocket all the profits. They could do it but it would take time, and time is money. So they've gotta be content with their piece of the pie.
I gotta confess that I don't really "get" luxury brands and the whole psychology behind it. When it was all about tradition & excellent quality it made more sense. When the traditional luxury brands outsourced their factories to China etc the high price point ceased to make sense to me.
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Post by chapeaunoir on Jun 16, 2016 18:52:52 GMT
@retromonde I gotta confess that I don't really "get" luxury brands and the whole psychology behind it. When it was all about tradition & excellent quality it made more sense. When the traditional luxury brands outsourced their factories to China etc the high price point ceased to make sense to me.
Exactly! And like it or not, Ma put his finger on the farce that is outsourced luxury goods - they roll off the same assembly line as the cheap stuff, they've lost any provenance and have become merely a branding scheme. To me, when a luxury brand outsources to China, it has lost any value.
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Post by electro*retro on Jun 19, 2016 8:18:37 GMT
@retromonde I gotta confess that I don't really "get" luxury brands and the whole psychology behind it. When it was all about tradition & excellent quality it made more sense. When the traditional luxury brands outsourced their factories to China etc the high price point ceased to make sense to me. Exactly! And like it or not, Ma put his finger on the farce that is outsourced luxury goods - they roll off the same assembly line as the cheap stuff, they've lost any provenance and have become merely a branding scheme. To me, when a luxury brand outsources to China, it has lost any value. YUP!! I passed (on 1/2 price!) on a St. John blouse today b/c it was "made in China". Meanwhile, I have a gorgeous , all leather, " Made in USA", SAS handbag listed that I, most likely, will have a hard time selling.... even though the quality and workmanship is vastly superior to most of the outsourced, big-name, "luxury brands". |
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Post by chapeaunoir on Jun 19, 2016 19:50:05 GMT
What's unfortunate is that the Chinese are actually leading tailors and fabricators, but at the price points a cheap, demanding American public want, they have to cut corners. Walmart has pushed their Chinese suppliers to the point where they're outsourcing themselves to even cheaper markets (Vietnam for one). Chinese national products (made for their own market) are often very well made.
In the luxury goods market, there may be stronger oversight on Chinese production and closer adherence to quality standards, but it's still outsourced, and it still pretty much cancels out the "luxury" - I guess it's for a market that just wants to wear a logo?
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Post by titus730 on Jun 20, 2016 13:42:57 GMT
I guess it's for a market that just wants to wear a logo?
Absolutely true. Sheeple will buy any cwap as long as it has a "luxury" logo. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 20:44:08 GMT
yeah right
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