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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 17:14:00 GMT
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Post by Pantlandia on Apr 24, 2018 17:19:50 GMT
So, your car can be broken into right after and the package stolen.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 17:33:18 GMT
Possibly. I guess it's no different than if you put your packages in the back and then go into a restaurant for lunch.
They're trying to help combat porch package thieves.
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Post by kat on Apr 24, 2018 18:11:55 GMT
Whenever there’s a post on nextdoor or local Fb pages about packages being stolen off the porch, it’s unbelievable how the majority of people responding think the sender (amazon, etc.) or delivery company should replace the item.
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Post by Pantlandia on Apr 24, 2018 19:19:35 GMT
Whenever there’s a post on nextdoor or local Fb pages about packages being stolen off the porch, it’s unbelievable how the majority of people responding think the sender (amazon, etc.) or delivery company should replace the item. I believe the delivery companies need to have some sort of responsibility, depending on the situation. These companies are well aware of how bad porch thefts have gotten, yet they rarely even ring the door bells or knock to check to see if someone is home. They have no problem dumping the item in plain site. Yes, I know that they can't always hold on to the item, but I can't tell you how many times I've opened the door and almost tripped over a package that was just left there or gotten a delivery notification only to find the package sitting by my door without so much as a knock to see if I'm home. It is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure there is a place for their packages or to have someone home, but it should also be the responsibility of the delivery company to at least knock and using sound judgement before dumping things off in the open. JMO |
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Post by RetroMonde on Apr 24, 2018 19:25:32 GMT
Does anybody other than the PO have a signature required option? That would be helpful for things like meds or more expensive items.
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Post by chapeaunoir on Apr 24, 2018 19:33:14 GMT
I lived in a rough neighbourhood for years and there was simply nowhere to deliver items. I was running my hat business and had a lot of stock coming in. I hated it when people sent stuff UPS because there was nowhere to leave it as my doorstep went out onto the sidewalk - I'd end up schlepping 30 miles round trip to the UPS depot. Our delivery guy was sharp and would simply leave a note as he didn't feel it was a good idea to just leave it. I finally started having deliveries shipped to my friend who owned the salon down the street - he didn't mind and it was really nice of him. I guess putting the stuff into my car would have worked.
Most porch theft is smash and grab type opportunistic crime, I don't think porch thieves are going to start car breaking, but you never know.
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Post by kritter on Apr 24, 2018 21:05:58 GMT
Does anybody other than the PO have a signature required option? That would be helpful for things like meds or more expensive items. When I got my computers a month or so ago from Dell, I had to sign for them. Can't remember if it was FedEx or UPS. It is up to the seller whether things or signed for or not just like it is with us as sellers. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 22:07:26 GMT
Exactly what Kritter said. Fedex and UPS both have a signature option.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 2:17:23 GMT
I wonder if Amazon has considered selling/leasing secure delivery boxes to customers. Think of a locker that can sit on your porch, in front of your house, etc. And only you and Amazon have the access code. I'd use a service like that, but there's no way in hell I'd give Amazon access to enter my car or house.
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Post by SA on Apr 25, 2018 2:45:05 GMT
I thought Amazon had lockers? Not for your personal porch, but just a cluster of lockers at designated locations you can have stuff shipped to.
Am I imagining that?
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Post by kritter on Apr 25, 2018 2:51:18 GMT
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Post by chapeaunoir on Apr 25, 2018 2:59:36 GMT
They have Amazon lockers here. Instead of spoonfeeding customers with house and car access, they need to just have them sign a waiver that they want the item delivered to their home if they don't take the offered locker location or sign for the package. They could have lockers in more locations so it's not a big slog to get there.
But access to my home and car? No. That's going a bit too far - people need to take, you know, a modicum of responsibility.
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Post by kat on Apr 25, 2018 3:11:56 GMT
Our Safeway has banks of Amazon lockers. Super easy to access up at the front. You add your closest locker location to your address book on Az. When you check out you have it shipped to that address. When it’s delivered you are sent a one time code.
I don’t know if it’s the same everywhere, but here you have to get it within three days or it gets sent back.
I don’t think there are outdoor lockers out of stores in the wild, since they need an electricity source.
Not everything is eligible to get shipped to a locker. If you buy something merchant fulfilled, they might not have the option.
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Post by kat on Apr 25, 2018 3:13:16 GMT
Another plus with the lockers is if you are ordering a gift for someone in your household.
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Post by chapeaunoir on Apr 25, 2018 3:18:05 GMT
Well, what will happen is that people who want the service will sign up for it and it'll be interesting to see how it goes. I have this vision of the poor Amazon delivery people chasing cars around because of barmy buyers who can't keep track of themselves. Or up here finding that one red Subaru wagon in the herd lol.
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Post by kat on Apr 25, 2018 3:26:03 GMT
Haha! That would be something, wouldn’t it?
The eligible cars have gps coordinates to direct the delivery drivers.
On another note, new technology is rolling out for either UPS or Fed-ex that a barcode will be unscannable if the scanner is not within the proper location.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 4:18:46 GMT
I like this car access idea better than the lockers or house. But I would still let them have access to my house if I didn't live semi rural. We don't really have porch pirates around here. 1. We're a ways off the street. 2. Lots of activity going on at the shop.
What's the worst that could happen with them getting in your car. I can't imagine a sophisticated car thief, who can bypass the GPS or OnStar systems, getting a job with Amazon in order to steal it.
I did a copy and paste on another thread about Bezos saying he doesn't pay attention to what the other online companies are doing. He strictly focuses on the customer. This is all about convenience. The great thing about this and the home delivery is - it's not a one size fits all. People can use these programs if they want. Or they're free to say, no. These are just more choices.
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Post by chapeaunoir on Apr 25, 2018 4:34:02 GMT
@dantes I did a copy and paste on another thread about Bezos saying he doesn't pay attention to what the other online companies are doing. He strictly focuses on the customer.
This is something that Wenig and his bunch need to understand - they are followers, not leaders - they need to learn to lead and to innovate, and they simply don't know how.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 16:10:26 GMT
@dantes I did a copy and paste on another thread about Bezos saying he doesn't pay attention to what the other online companies are doing. He strictly focuses on the customer. This is something that Wenig and his bunch need to understand - they are followers, not leaders - they need to learn to lead and to innovate, and they simply don't know how. Right. Bezos taps into the consumers' need for instant gratification. The days of wondering if a seller will ship on time are ending. He makes Amazon an easy place to shop. The CS for buyers is excellent. And Prime gives a lot of bang for the buck. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 17:48:15 GMT
I wouldn't be worried about an Amazon delivery person stealing my car - but what if they damage it or don't shut the door/trunk tightly? Or steal something else out of it?
Pittsburgh only has a few Amazon lockers - at the University of Pgh and the local Whole Foods. I've never used them (I'm home most of the time and can see when the driver pulls up in front of the house). But if I worked outside the home I might use one.
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Post by chapeaunoir on Apr 25, 2018 18:10:03 GMT
What Wenig needs to actually understand is that eBay is NOT Amazon, where people are often just substituting for going to the store and Amazon fulfills many of its own products - it's easy for them to offer these perks. eBay is a whole other animal (so is Etsy, Tradesy, Swap, most stand-alones, etc.) - he keeps trying to ape Amazon with a site that's a true marketplace collective and you CAN'T get these items just going to the store. Most mail order places I use don't have instant shipping, but then I can't get the items just anywhere, either. Third party fulfillment on Amazon for example - it takes just as long as any other mail order place (a week or so) but then I'm purchasing oddball items - if I purchase them with Amazon fulfillment, I pay more for that instant shipping or have to have Prime. If I purchase items through third party, the price is lower but I wait that short week or so. Quite a few surveys have found that most people will trade lower price for shorter ship time. If they want the shorter ship time, Amazon offers Prime, but you pay for it - if all the benefits of Prime make it worth it, then it's a good deal, but eBay, again, is not Amazon.
eBay needs to harness its own strengths as Amazon has done theirs, but it needs a leader who has that kind of scope.
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Post by chapeaunoir on Apr 25, 2018 19:05:57 GMT
But she's willing to pay for that service (i.e., through Prime or upgrades) and orders directly from manufacturer website or through Amazon Prime. eBay is trying to force sellers to comply without having these perks, and sellers who are selling one-off items, unusual items and very inexpensive items that one can't just get anywhere, which basically is what eBay has always been about, no matter how much they try to pretend they're Amazon Lite. Many people without so much discretionary income don't have the luxury of paying extra for instant shipping, and these surveys found that this was in fact the majority (I don't have the article links now, I had just read them in my usual marketing reading). Prime helps with that, if one orders enough from Amazon (even the two of us together don't), but again, we run into a situation where marketplaces can't do that.
ETA: These surveys found that spending habit change as people get older - individual with young families, for instance, suddenly shift their spending and discretionary income changes. I wish I could find the one article that actually graphed how this spending changed, and when the need for thrift kicked in.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 20:00:37 GMT
Well, what will happen is that people who want the service will sign up for it and it'll be interesting to see how it goes. I have this vision of the poor Amazon delivery people chasing cars around because of barmy buyers who can't keep track of themselves. Or up here finding that one red Subaru wagon in the herd lol. That was my first thought. Hello, police? There is a dude in an Amazon van tailing me. Every time I stop at a light he tries to break into my trunk! OMG I can't ditch him! |
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Post by RetroMonde on Apr 25, 2018 20:19:56 GMT
eBay needs to harness its own strengths as Amazon has done theirs, but it needs a leader who has that kind of scope. Much as I dislike Bezos/Amazon for various reasons, you can't argue that he's a helluva leader AND a visionary. But Amazon is his baby and has been from the beginning, right? Anyone that was involved in the original creation of eBay has long since moved on and all we get now are assorted corporate managers that couldn't lead the way out of a paper bag. I think that Weinig wants to make changes for the better but can only see Amazon and copy them because he doesn't really understand the unique potential that eBay already owns. SaveSave |
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Post by chapeaunoir on Apr 25, 2018 21:54:43 GMT
eBay needs to harness its own strengths as Amazon has done theirs, but it needs a leader who has that kind of scope. Much as I dislike Bezos/Amazon for various reasons, you can't argue that he's a helluva leader AND a visionary. But Amazon is his baby and has been from the beginning, right? Anyone that was involved in the original creation of eBay has long since moved on and all we get now are assorted corporate managers that couldn't lead the way out of a paper bag. I think that Weinig wants to make changes for the better but can only see Amazon and copy them because he doesn't really understand the unique potential that eBay already owns. SaveSaveI think that's exactly it - Wenig is a rent-a-CEO corporate manager whereas Bezos has brought Amazon up from the beginning, and there's no denying his genius in doing it, even though I actually can't stand the man. He started virtually down the street from me in his garage, then a little warehouse, he's hired good people and kept building, staying at the helm and innovating. Pierre Omidyar had that vision, too, but didn't stay with the company, really, in it seems an active hands-on leadership role despite being chairman until not that long ago - his interests are more in philanthrophy and journalism. eBay has had a paucity of real leadership since 2008, and even Meg wasn't that great, though she wasn't that bad, either (kind of hands off in a way). It really shows the difference between companies run by those with a stake in it, and those who know they'll get their golden parachute no matter how lame (see Donohoe) they are. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 2:31:53 GMT
I love Bezos. Not sure why so many people don't like him. I think the guy is brilliant.
Ebay lost when seller's started flocking to Etsy.
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Post by kat on Apr 26, 2018 4:49:27 GMT
I love Bezos. Not sure why so many people don't like him. I think the guy is brilliant. Ebay lost when seller's started flocking to Etsy. According to all the chatter on Twitter, he’s mostly hated because he owns the Washington Post and that’s allegedly why Trump has it out for Amazon. |
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Post by chapeaunoir on Apr 26, 2018 4:49:59 GMT
I have to live in the same city with him - he may be brilliant but he's an SOB. Believe me, plenty of people here work for Amazon and the bad stories are true. He purchased the Washington Post and yes, infused cash into it, then stripped benefits. He treats workers like crap. Thumbs down from me.
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Post by chapeaunoir on Apr 26, 2018 4:51:12 GMT
I love Bezos. Not sure why so many people don't like him. I think the guy is brilliant. Ebay lost when seller's started flocking to Etsy. According to all the chatter on Twitter, he’s mostly hated because he owns the Washington Post and that’s allegedly why Trump has it out for Amazon. That's just in Trump's crazy mind, though - it's a knock-on effect. There's been just too much bad press about him and his dealings. |
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